. >> but they don't play any role, romney can talk -- people leave. of course, they do. you don't expect a bunch of romney people to leave and start a gingrich super pac. the point is that i've been out of contact with the campaign. if we take it from there, let's go on and look more at a couple of key points. the first, the real money is not in (c)(4)'s. there figures to october 6 show that super pacs spend about twice as much as c-4 groups. that's not really what the big money is. >> is not just the stuff that is reported to the federal election commission. will have to go to that in a minute. (c)(4) groups or fashion of spending yourself in this campaign. they will not spend as much in total as the obama campaign alone will. that's, all (c)(4) groups for all races in this cycle. and that's just the reality of the. the obama campaign will spend more. let's talk about who's -- these are ordinary citizens and, of course, they're not ordinary citizens but let's think about this a bit. when foster friess funded a super pac back for rick santorum, today keep ordinary citize